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He Who Thirsts 24 Sep, 2024 @ 2:27pm
Lord General - The Last Stand
Really wish that since we got the Anniversary edition they would give last stand another balance pass and at least buff the Lord General from "complete and utter unusable, useless, half-baked ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" to "somewhat okay".

I think just letting him spawn multiple of his squads and turrets would make him actually useful at drawing enemy fire.
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Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:
Originally posted by TimedParadox:
Originally posted by Firaeveus Carron:
If your Lord General Freddie Mercury isn't spamming rocket run with a Deadly Sniper Rifle, you're probably serving as a detriment to your team.

That's my point. That's the only use he has, and he's barely passable at it. Everything else in his arsenal is weak or outright ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Compared to the other heroes, absolutely. I definitely agree with you. I think others are merely getting defensive and are attempting to explain how one can make the Lord General effective, which is fine, but someone has to be at the bottom overall... and it's likely the Lord General.

I don't necessarily disagree with everything said by Auffie, considering that most of the heroes are fairly week at low levels, but the Lord General has some fairly obsolete equipment compared to a lot of the other heroes. All of his weapons are technically two-handed, since you can't bring a main hand and an off-hand with the Lord General. Taking a sword gives you a terrible Laspistol and you can't bring off-hand weapon traits like the Captain, Mekboy (even though he really only has one extra off-hand via DLC), and Farseer. The Chaos Sorcerer has so much more utility, mobility and survivability potential. The Sorcerer can also build extremely strong minions, while the Lord General's minions only serve as meatshields.

Anyone can learn to play the Lord General and claim that he's viable because they found a decent build that works for him. However, it's not going to change the general sentiment about him: he just doesn't stand up to the rest of the cast in terms of build variety and usefulness. Builds around the Boltgun are garbage, melee builds are substandard, the flamer is okay (it even does comparable single-target damage to the Boltgun lol), the Plasma Gun is alright, the Grenade Launcher is okay, the Shotgun is good, the Deadly Sniper Rifle is great, minion builds are okay, and the Rocket Run build is fantastic. That about sums it up for the General.
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Revy 24 Sep, 2024 @ 5:15pm 
Lmao.. Calling General useless.. You are so green.
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He Who Thirsts 24 Sep, 2024 @ 7:46pm 
Originally posted by Revy:
Lmao.. Calling General useless.. You are so green.

Low mobility, low armor, low damage, trash summons, did I miss anything?
Last edited by He Who Thirsts; 24 Sep, 2024 @ 7:48pm
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Derrilin 24 Sep, 2024 @ 11:27pm 
it changes at higher levels, for example the stormtroopers give a fast moment ability, the sniper rifle gives excellent energy regen and the bombing run is fun and effective.
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Včelí medvídek 25 Sep, 2024 @ 1:41am 
Originally posted by Revy:
Lmao.. Calling General useless.. You are so green.
this.

General real weakness is lack of emergency mobility but he still stays as my favorite char, Only character made it to 4.8 M score and also highest average wave of all my chars (17)
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Dridore 25 Sep, 2024 @ 3:10am 
you can have multiple turrets if you have a necron teammate with revive orb :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9HEMk3WaTI

this build also works pretty well (requires lvl 20 and dlc shogtun)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPuM7NxLpE
Last edited by Dridore; 25 Sep, 2024 @ 3:52am
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Včelí medvídek 25 Sep, 2024 @ 4:52am 
Originally posted by Dridore:
you can have multiple turrets if you have a necron teammate with revive orb :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9HEMk3WaTI

this build also works pretty well (requires lvl 20 and dlc shogtun)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPuM7NxLpE
lol, thats.. creative:o)
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He Who Thirsts 25 Sep, 2024 @ 7:05am 
Originally posted by Dridore:
you can have multiple turrets if you have a necron teammate with revive orb :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9HEMk3WaTI

this build also works pretty well (requires lvl 20 and dlc shogtun)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPuM7NxLpE

"It's only viable if you cheat or with this very specific build"

So he sucks.
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H11DN-D4NG3R 26 Sep, 2024 @ 3:43am 
First game i done with Lord general got me and another team of high levels, To level 18 on first map,
And was doing Reasonably well
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He Who Thirsts 26 Sep, 2024 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:
First game i done with Lord general got me and another team of high levels, To level 18 on first map,
And was doing Reasonably well

Oh hey, me too. I'm sure we would have finished wave 20 if I hadn't been a Lord General, since, you know, he's garbage.
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H11DN-D4NG3R 26 Sep, 2024 @ 8:58am 
It was more on my side that i missplayed and got caught by the boss and yeeted into 3 killa kans and rocket boys. dying instantly.
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He Who Thirsts 26 Sep, 2024 @ 1:11pm 
Originally posted by H11DN-D4NG3R:
It was more on my side that i missplayed and got caught by the boss and yeeted into 3 killa kans and rocket boys. dying instantly.

Yeah, that happens.

Doesn't happen as often to other characters since they can, you know, move faster than a light jog. Or they have some armor. Or DPS. Or decent summons that have both of those, and can both kill things AND survive longer than 5 seconds.
Last edited by He Who Thirsts; 26 Sep, 2024 @ 1:12pm
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Ghost 7 Oct, 2024 @ 2:51pm 
The General needs good cover, since the main problem for him is the melee, not allowing him to shoot. Therefore, without a competent team, it is difficult for him to show good efficiency. And yes, a small buff wouldn't hurt him. Weak armor is too high a price to pay for powerful turrets that are too easy to destroy at high levels anyway. But the same can be said about other builds for other classes. Unfortunately, not all of them are equal.
Last edited by Ghost; 7 Oct, 2024 @ 2:52pm
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George W. Kush 7 Oct, 2024 @ 5:15pm 
i a noob dont mind me at all today is the first time i have played last stand lol
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He Who Thirsts 7 Oct, 2024 @ 6:49pm 
Originally posted by Ghost:
Unfortunately, not all of them are equal.

LG is useless unless they have sniper and bombing run. Not or, AND.

Trying to run anything else is pointless as you either don't have the energy or the firepower to get anything done, and nothing synergizes well. There's no reason why Reinforce/Take Aim couldn't have been energy free, or why every turret is made of paper mache and deals no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage.

The units may as well not exist, everyone just takes stormtroopers for the buff.

Meanwhile, Tau kills everything while being able to spam jump half way across the map.
Last edited by He Who Thirsts; 7 Oct, 2024 @ 6:51pm
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Dridore 8 Oct, 2024 @ 1:19am 
the energy regen armor does plenty fine, you get it level 1, provides high armor, so u can equip that and another weapon other than the sniper, the regen is still fairly decent.
the main issue of sniper is that the clone on colosseum is a pain since he gets high range and damage.

as for the troops, the sergent makes them useful, it's more a meatshield than anything else, don't expect the troops to do the damage.
even with ogryns, don't take a comissar, he doesn't get the ogryn hp regen so that squads tends to die faster, not worth it.
but sergent, yes yes and yes, always
Last edited by Dridore; 8 Oct, 2024 @ 1:22am
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