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Its not many, but still probably more than can get away with picking up precise or unarmed.
Sure you get 2x less ranged damage than melee, but SMGs base attack speed makes up for the difference against single targets, and you crowd control by staying above the curve or lucking into stuff like bearded baby.
do you play a lot of danger 5?
seems like ranged damage is biased down in levelups as well. interested to know if somebody can confirm that..
smg is the opposite of good against single targets, unless those single targets are extremely small and nonthreatening
do jack players love to choose smg a lot? no.
how do you stay above curve when everything about ranged is weaker than every other option? only play loud and demon?
who has an easier time picking up materials safely to reset blunderbuss? a gun build or a melee build that accidentally bought a blunderbuss?
for melee, rip and tear is overkill/net negative (can't crit so it robs you of money, can't trigger giant belt). best use of rip and tear is actually with ranged damage sources (so you get the aoe that resembles a melee hit from far away). hope you like building both damage types AND explosion size just for this..
weird.
Blunderbuss is not intended as a weapon that you put in all 6 slots. It's a weapon that you take 1 or 2 of in a ranged build and it will likely do more damage than your other weapons. Being fully reliant on getting materials to do damage is bad, but getting a massive damage burst any time you get them while still being able to fight WITHOUT them is the intent.
Ranged isn't weak at all. Nearly finished D5'ing everything in the Abyss and half those runs ran a mix of SMG, Blunderbusses, Shredders, Rockets, & Grenade Launchers (also crazy strong in the DLC).
thanks for the replies though i guess. i kinda don't buy it though!
"you just go renegade" (??????? insanely weak character with no endless potential)
"beat d5 on everything with smg and shredder" (????????? total fiction???????)
yeah great agreeable replies from people who clearly do deep endless d5 runs all the time, so true
like really, shredder? the second worst gun in the game? show me a video of your epic shredder d5 runs on every character
It's clear though that your measure of value is Endless, which is fine, but the opening thread you made focused on the weakness of ranged weapons, and they're not weak if you can complete 1-20. If your fixation is on Endless potential, then you might be right.
But I don't care about Endless.
Endless complaint.
Should have added that in the title/at the start so readers would have known the right tone to take.
2 Shredders/Rocket Launchers for big groups
Some dodge
Easy win every time.